Who is the author of the melody of "Puer Natus in Betlehem Alleluia"?

[Krisztina Waliczky]

I am searching for the author and / or origin of the melody of the canticum "Puer natus in Betlehem Alleluia".

I need to know a source where to find it.

[Louis-Marie Salaün]

Je ne connais pas le nom de l'auteur mais en tous cas on sait que ce chant fait partie du célèbre recueil médiéval finlandais-suédois "Piae Cantiones" publié en 1582

[Krisztina Waliczky]

Merci.I still have to found the origin of the melody. 

Louis-Marie Salaün said:

Je ne connais pas le nom de l'auteur mais en tous cas on sait que ce chant fait partie du célèbre recueil médiéval finlandais-suédois "Piae Cantiones" publié en 1582

[Oliver Gerlach]

The author of this page believes, text and the monodic melody dates back to the 14th century (probably he pasted and copied it from wikipedia which you should not regard as trustworthy, but it does not mean that other encyclopedies are ;):

https://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/NonEngli...

I give you the link, since it has some concrete and useful references.

There are also Choral versions about it (Buxtehude, and Schein even in German!)... even Bach composed about the German version (here it says the first German version dates back to 1439, Heinrich von Laufenberg):

http://www.bach-cantatas.com/CM/Ein-Kind-geborn-zu-Bethlehem.htm

For the melody I cannot say, but the refrain "Cum novo cantico" with this protus plagalis tune was already used by Aquitanian composers, especially the longer refrain (but the ambitus stayed within the protus pentachord, not like here): "In cordis jubilo Christum natum adoremus cum novo cantico." I think the later tune developed from some old Christmas tropes of the 12th century.

You can check the sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martial_school

Unfortunately, I did not find the tune I remembered on a first sight.

[Krisztina Waliczky]

Thank you. 

Oliver Gerlach said:

The author of this page believes, text and the monodic melody dates back to the 14th century (probably he pasted and copied it from wikipedia which you should not regard as trustworthy, but it does not mean that other encyclopedies are ;):

https://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/NonEngli...

I give you the link, since it has some concrete and useful references.

There are also Choral versions about it (Buxtehude, and Schein even in German!)... even Bach composed about the German version (here it says the first German version dates back to 1439, Heinrich von Laufenberg):

http://www.bach-cantatas.com/CM/Ein-Kind-geborn-zu-Bethlehem.htm

For the melody I cannot say, but the refrain "Cum novo cantico" with this protus plagalis tune was already used by Aquitanian composers, especially the longer refrain (but the ambitus stayed within the protus pentachord, not like here): "In cordis jubilo Christum natum adoremus cum novo cantico." I think the later tune developed from some old Christmas tropes of the 12th century.

You can check the sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martial_school

Unfortunately, I did not find the tune I remembered on a first sight.

[Oliver Gerlach]

By the way, as far as I can remember, it seems that I know the refrain from the CD "Nova cantica" published by Dominique Vellard and Emmanuel Bonnardot.

Here is Todd M. McComb's description (Early Music FAQ):

http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/dhm77196.htm

Unfortunately, I have the CD not with me. Thus, I cannot check, but I think it was the monophonic conductus «Natus est» (track 11).

The melody I remember, probably applied to this text (alas a human memory is so flexible):

re fa-fa sol-sol-la la-sol la-re sol-fa-mi-re [the ending is like notated here]