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Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ricossa Aug 9. 59 Replies

Greetings! I have taken an interest in the theory presented by Jan van Biezen, a short summary of which can be found here:…Continue

 

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Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Clearly, StG didn't bother to weite the celeriter. OTOH, StG and Laon are not always absolutely identical, cf the third note on tribulaTO (same place)"
Aug 9
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I wouldn't say that the ambiguity is restricted to usage, though.  Taking as an example his qui tribulato in the verse Juxta est of the gradual Clamaverunt justi (p346 in the Graduale Novum), yes, there may be a significance to the absence…"
Aug 9
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"J'ajoute que les notations en soi (St Gall & Laon) ne sont pas ambiguës, mais elles sont utilisées de manière ambiguë. Pour elles vaut la règle que j'ai inventée : un signe signifie, pas de signe…"
Aug 8
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Sgr Ricossa, Rapprochement between Solesmes and mensural approaches can be very difficult to achieve and discussion unnecessarily fraught.  If the Solesmes advocates cannot even agree that the notation is rhythmically unclear and ambiguous, it…"
Aug 8
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Quick recordings, secundum Laon: https://yadi.sk/a/s4f1XekM3ZzmwT Confortamini "
Aug 8
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I agree 100%"
Aug 7
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Fr Weber, I am grateful to you in turn for gracing my response with a reply.  I hope you can understand why mensuralists react they way they do too.  On one occasion, a supporter of a Solesmes approach claimed to…"
Aug 7
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"With regard to (memo)ria(lis) and (ce)lebra(bitis) in the offertory Erit vobis, the idea of a rhythmic weight or stress on the C seems to me to be an assumption coming from a given musical background.  In Scottish vocal slurs, the musical…"
Aug 7
Jerome F. Weber replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Mr. Cordona, Thank you for your explanation, for which I am grateful. I only desire to point out why I react the way I do. The thread betrays from many of its contributors the sort of disdain for old Solesmes, Cardine, new Solesmes, and semiology…"
Aug 7
Jerome F. Weber replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Mr. Cordona, Thank you for your explanation, for which I am grateful. I only desire to point out why I react the way I do. The thread betrays from many of its contributors the sort of disdain for old Solesmes, Cardine, new Solesmes, and semiology…"
Aug 7
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I reproduced that transcription because it was at hand at home.  It is of a soloistic rendering by an extremely skilled singer.  Unskilled singers in a congregation in Egypt can sing in a plainer manner that comes closer to the likes of…"
Aug 7
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I for one am puzzled at your disdain for this thread of discussion.  It seems superfluous to say the following but there is worthwhile cause to reply to your last statement. What you call western plainchant can be explained by anyone who…"
Aug 7
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"To clarify, I have no queries here about liquescence but consider it important to take liquescence into account with regard to the likes of the Sciant neume, especially in the likes of the following instances which can be found in the Graduale…"
Aug 7
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Un Offertoire, il y a quelques distractions par-ci par-là, mais je n'avais pas envie de reprendre tout l'enregistrement, pour Kevin"
Aug 7
Jerome F. Weber replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Mr. Rooney, If you are open to a different opinion, you might read the reviews I wrote in Fanfare (USA) of every CD MP ever recorded. To summarize, he is self-taught, adopting whatever approach to each recording he chooses. He chose Ison singing for…"
Aug 6
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Fr. Jerome, Do be aware that the Early Medieval theorists prior to 1050, who can rightfully be called the "fathers" of Latin chant, were unanimous in upholding the Church's tradition of "mensuration", called in Latin…"
Aug 6

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