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Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ricossa 6 hours ago. 68 Replies

Greetings! I have taken an interest in the theory presented by Jan van Biezen, a short summary of which can be found here:…Continue

 

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Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"l'initio debilis n'es pas un problème si on le considère simplement comme un effet vocal très répandu, qui s'appelle portamento. Ici un exemple par Vaccai :"
6 hours ago
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"My own reading of the Commemoratio brevis in does not regard it as presenting the tremula as a brief note.  I will present the passage and an English translation in order to refer to it clearly. Tenor uero id est ultimae uocis mora.  qui…"
7 hours ago
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Quelques initio debilis par ci et par là https://youtu.be/GNsN8cR4mtw"
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Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Ornaments (Vinnola=Pressus maior/minor; Tremula=Quilisma, etc...) were not perceived as precise notes. The proof in the Montpellier Tonaire, where the ornaments are repeated above the letter-notation, signifying that they cannot be represented by…"
Friday
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I am grateful to Solesmes for its efforts, to the early mensuralists for theirs, to Vollaerts for his, and to the semiologists for theirs, but I find Jan van Biezen's metered-rhythm theory to surpass them all in scientific accuracy and…"
Friday
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"My observations on the aforementioned examples of notae debiles. 1. Communion Jerusalem (Graduale Triplex, p. 370). The 'l' in Jerusalem is a small consonant cluster, and moreover a liquid consonant, allowing for the second note of the…"
Friday
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
Friday
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Prof. Ricossa, Thank you for your continued recordings. With each recording, your rhythm is growing closer to my view. Excellent point on the Baroque. Recently I read a similar discussion on controversy over Bach's intended meaning of the…"
Friday
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Alasdair, Great video of the Coptic Trisagion. Thanks for sharing. The Gregorian Alleluias and prose-less Sequences strike me as a similar kind of chant."
Friday
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Clearly, StG didn't bother to weite the celeriter. OTOH, StG and Laon are not always absolutely identical, cf the third note on tribulaTO (same place)"
Aug 9
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I wouldn't say that the ambiguity is restricted to usage, though.  Taking as an example his qui tribulato in the verse Juxta est of the gradual Clamaverunt justi (p346 in the Graduale Novum), yes, there may be a significance to the absence…"
Aug 9
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"J'ajoute que les notations en soi (St Gall & Laon) ne sont pas ambiguës, mais elles sont utilisées de manière ambiguë. Pour elles vaut la règle que j'ai inventée : un signe signifie, pas de signe…"
Aug 8
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Sgr Ricossa, Rapprochement between Solesmes and mensural approaches can be very difficult to achieve and discussion unnecessarily fraught.  If the Solesmes advocates cannot even agree that the notation is rhythmically unclear and ambiguous, it…"
Aug 8
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Quick recordings, secundum Laon: https://yadi.sk/a/s4f1XekM3ZzmwT Confortamini "
Aug 8
Ricossa replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"I agree 100%"
Aug 7
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Fr Weber, I am grateful to you in turn for gracing my response with a reply.  I hope you can understand why mensuralists react they way they do too.  On one occasion, a supporter of a Solesmes approach claimed to…"
Aug 7

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