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Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kevin M. Rooney Nov 19. 86 Replies

Greetings! I have taken an interest in the theory presented by Jan van Biezen, a short summary of which can be found here:…Continue

 

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Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
""... so that the actual durations are, perhaps, 1.75, 0.25, and 1. ... so that 1.66 + 0.34 + 1 and 1.85 + 0.15 + 1 are both perceived by the ear as interpretations approximately equal to 1.75 + 0.25 + 1, as long as the total duration of the…"
Nov 19
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Metrical syncopations happen in the Antiphons.  I am highly suspicious of rhythmic-level syncopations, i.e. syncopations between downbeats, and I do not believe they exist in Gregorian chant, at least not as the norm.  Notice the seeming…"
Nov 17
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Concerning the Micrologus: "Tenor" in Guido's own usage is the duration of any note, not just the end of a phrase. (I will address "ultimae vocis mora" later in this post.) Also from Guido: The divisions in this sentence are…"
Nov 17
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Alasdair, I do not see the discrepancy you see between the Commemoratio brevis and the performance tradition.  My replies to each of your points: Given all of my above clarifications, I believe such a performance-practice is not only true but…"
Nov 17
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"One can further argue that it is not the norm for communal Christian chant to allow pitches of intermediate metrical values to knock the regularity of the rhythm off kilter such that a regular rhythm is no longer to be heard; that it is the norm to…"
Nov 17
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Indeed. But it need not necessarily be found in every oral practice. The note is "superfluous" in that its absence does not affect the rhythm in any substantial way. It can be omitted, and the melody sounds the same. Because of this, its…"
Nov 17
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"The website appears to be having problems with inputting italics."
Oct 15
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
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Oct 15
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Tenor uero id est ultimae uocis mora.  qui in sillaba quantuluscumque est. amplior in parte. diutissimus uero in distinctione. signum in his diuisionis existit. Sicque opus est. ut quasi metricis pedibus cantilena plaudatur. et aliae uoces ab…"
Oct 15
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"Tenor uero id est ultimae uocis mora.  qui in sillaba quantuluscumque est. amplior in parte. diutissimus uero in distinctione. signum in his diuisionis existit. Sicque opus est. ut quasi metricis pedibus cantilena plaudatur. et aliae uoces ab…"
Oct 15
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"<I've seen this long-substitution all over the Alleluias.  But it is also in the more standard repertory as well.  The opening figure D-F-G-F of Introit Dominus dixit, found also a few other Mode 2 neumatic antiphons, is properly…"
Oct 13
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"<The contrary example you gave from Alleluia Jubilate Deo highlights the parallel between Laon and St. Gall of a short-long on one hand and a long-long on the other. I think the most reasonable explanation here is that the second note is indeed a…"
Oct 13
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"<Case 1: If you have heard "Ad te levavi" or a similar figure only ever sung with that 'liquescent' lower D between the first two syllables, then you are far less likely to omit the D, however the D is performed, because the D…"
Oct 13
Alasdair Codona replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"<Case 1: If you have heard "Ad te levavi" or a similar figure only ever sung with that 'liquescent' lower D between the first two syllables, then you are far less likely to omit the D, however the D is performed, because the D…"
Oct 13
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
"A/the tenor, that is, the 'mora' of the last note - which, however small it is in a syllable, is larger in a part and longest in a distinction - is a sign of division in these. And so it is necessary that the melody should be clapped as if…"
Sep 25
Kevin M. Rooney replied to Fyodor N's discussion Rhythm, Meter and Tempo of Gregorian Chant according to Jan van Biezen
""I have never thought of liquescence as being particularly connected either with melody transmission or consonant clusters, as you mention in point3." Case 1: If you have heard "Ad te levavi" or a similar figure only ever sung…"
Sep 24

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