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Thomas B. Payne replied to Dominique Gatté's discussion Discovery of a new organa book fragment in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention.  I don't know if anyone has already done this, but if anyone is interested, the unidentified conclusion of the piece in the top system of f. 1r is Alleluia Veni electa [M54]. C-Zu…"
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Thomas B. Payne replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"Thank you.  I have it and will consult it on this specific question. Your input is appreciated."
Jun 26, 2019
Oliver Gerlach replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"You might be interested in Jacopo Mazzeo's PhD thesis about “The Two-Part Conductus: Morphology, Dating and Authorship” (University of Southhampton…"
Jun 26, 2019
Oliver Gerlach replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"Looks like a common case of philological domestification in that case. Thanks for pointing it out!"
Jun 26, 2019
Thomas B. Payne replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"None that I know of.  It was a completely editorial decision on Anderson's part, as he says in his edition, vol. 5, p. 113."
Jun 26, 2019
Oliver Gerlach replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"In that case, I just do ask myself which source testifies the olim-version."
Jun 26, 2019
Thomas B. Payne replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"I am sure he would have, but this particular composition (at least presently) is preserved only in F."
Jun 26, 2019
Oliver Gerlach replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"Well, Anderson should have listed all the sources in the apparatus where “olim” replaced the first “fuit”, but F is very likely the earliest!"
Jun 26, 2019
Thomas B. Payne replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"Thank you, Olivier, Yes, I realize the repetition of "fuit" is necessary.  I was merely arguing for its legitimacy ut stat, since Anderson's edition (which is followed by the CPI website) changed the first "fuit" to…"
Jun 26, 2019
Oliver Gerlach replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"F (fol. 317r) has definitely the repetition of "fuit" (“fuit fuit publica modo sola relinquitur” the first part corresponds melodically to “sola est ac unica”, also for reasons of meter and rhyme)! In case of doubt…"
Jun 26, 2019
Thomas B. Payne replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?" in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"A further thought: Most interestingly, Brunetto Latini brings together the Juvenal and Ciceronian references together in his Li Livres dou Trésor, (2,114,2-3). In this passage, Latini notes that those who like to call attention to their noble…"
Jun 25, 2019
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Classical references in the conductus "Nobilitas animi?"

A conductus query: Does anyone know whether the following two likely references to Classical Latin sources in the conductus Nobilitas animi have been identified previously?For lines 1-3: "Nobilitas animi / sola est ac unica. / Virtus dolet opprimi."  See Juvenal, Satires, 8,20: “/ ... nobilitas sola est atque unica virtus. /”  This expression gained further currency thanks to its inclusion in the twelfth-century Moralium dogma philosophorum, where Juvenal’s phrase was filled out – and…See More
Jun 25, 2019
Thomas B. Payne replied to Thomas B. Payne's discussion Marginal strokes in the Florence MS in the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
"Thanks to Sean Curran for his reactions!"
Jun 11, 2019
Thomas B. Payne added a discussion to the group Notre-Dame School and Ars Antiqua
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Marginal strokes in the Florence MS

Here's a query about the Florence MS. Does anyone know if anyone has done any work on the occasional double strokes one sees in the margins (particularly evident in fascicle 5)? They look something like this: // but are usually much more angled, sometimes almost horizontal. Has anyone proposed what these may mean? I am wondering if they may be indications of proofreading, suggesting correction, and in my brief and incomplete scouring I can usually find something in the music to suggest a…See More
Jun 10, 2019

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Ars antiqua, Liturgie, Théorie musicale, Manuscrits (paléographie)
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