Le Congrès Grégorien de 1904

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Direction Mgr Antonio Rella

01_Introitus_Sacerdotes_Dei.mp3

02_Kyrie_VIII.mp3

03_Gloria_VIII.mp3

04_Alleluia_Amavit_eum.mp3

05_Alleluia_Justus_germinabit.mp3

06_Sequentia_Alma_cohors.mp3

07_Credo_III.mp3

08_Offertorium_Veritas_mea.mp3

09_Sanctus_IX.mp3

10_Agnus_IX.mp3

11_Communio_Fidelis_servus.mp3

Direction Dom Joseph Pothier

12_Introitus_Gaudeamus_omnes_in_Domino.mp3

13_Alleluia_Assumpta_est_Maria.mp3

14_Communio_Optimam_partem.mp3

Direction Baron Kanzler

15_Responsorium_Hodie_nobis_caelorum_Rex.mp3

16_Cantilena_Puer_natus_in_Bethleem_alleluia.mp3

17_Introitus_Viri_Galilaei.mp3

18_Sequentia_Veni_Sancte_Spiritus.mp3

19_Tractus_Absolve_Domine_animas.mp3

20_Antiphonae_In_paradisum-Chorus_angelorum.mp3

 

Direction Dom Laurents Janssens

01_Introitus_Sacerdotes_Dei.mp3

02_Alleluia_Amavit_eum.mp3

03_Alleluia_Justus_germinabit.mp3

04_Offertorium_Veritas_mea.mp3

05_Communio_Fidelis_servus.mp3

Direction Dom Mocquereau

06_Introitus_Sacerdotes_Dei.mp3

07_Introitus_Resurrexi.mp

08_Graduale_Haec_dies.mp3

09_Alleluia_Pascha_nostrum.mp3

10_Alleluia_Fac_nos_innocuam.mp3

Discours du congrès de Rome d'avril 1904 :

11_Padre_Angelo_de_Santi_Discours_inaugural.mp3

12_Dom_Joseph_Pothier_Caractere_fondamental_du_Chant_Liturgique.mp3

13_Dom_Andre_Mocquereau_Recherches_dans_les_Sources_du_Chant.mp3

14_Baron_Rudolf_Kanzler_Chant_et_Gramophone.mp3

15_Mgr_Antonio_Rella_L_enseignement_du_Chant_Gregorien.mp3

 

 

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  • Very nice, thank you.

  • Merci Alberto pour cette reproduction !

  • Depuis hier, nous parlons des moines de Sant'Anselmo à Rome sous la direction de Dom E. Cardine. Mais il y a avait déjà eu d'autres enregistrements à Sant'Anselmo: en 1933 pour Christschall (consultez Chantdiscography) et en 1904 pour Gramophone. Ci-dessous un dessin qui présente les moines en 1904 lors d'une séance d'enregistrement pour Gramophone:9126778886?profile=original

  • It should be noted that the Discant LPs omitted one 30cm disc, the "first part" of Pothier's discourse. I have not been able to listen to the disc in an archive (the Library of Congress has a copy, I believe). The number is 054775. Katharine Ellis, *The Politics of Plainchant in Fin-de-siecle France* (Ashgate, 2013), writes about these discourses in detail. She notes that Pothier's was not taken from the speech as it was delivered. All the speeches were published in *Rassegna gregoriana* from April to August 1904. My article, "A Century of Chant Recordings," will be published in The Netherlands later this year.

  • I would not expect to look for coupure as an explanation of the rhythm at that point, since it is in the middle of a melisma. In Pothier's three chants, the coupure separates syllables but does not break up a melisma.

  • Il se trouve que Dom Mocquereau pratiquait lui aussi la "coupure neumatique",comme on peut le constater dans l'Offertoire Ave Maria (DOM IV Adv), à "DOminus":

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    Afin d'assurer une "thésis" sur la "coupure" qui suit  la deuxième note de la clivis, Dom Mocquereau va jusqu'à apposer un ictus sur la ... dernière note du climacus précédent !!

    Jerome F. Weber a dit :

    Two points must be understood about these recordings. The chants sung at the Congress were taken from the Liber Usualis of 1903 edited by Mocquereau. The differences between these chants and either the 1895 Liber Gradualis or the 1908 Graduale Romanum, both edited by Pothier, are profound, especially audible in the Kyriale pieces. Four of the conductors recorded these versions, but Pothier used his 1895 edition. 

    The other point is to hear *coupure neumatique* in Pothier's interpretations, as if he were a pupil of Cardine rather than the other way around, so to speak. It is astonishing to listen to his chants today.

    Le Congrès Grégorien de 1904
    Lien général vers Chantdiscography Direction Mgr Antonio Rella 01_Introitus_Sacerdotes_Dei.mp3 02_Kyrie_VIII.mp3 03_Gloria_VIII.mp3 04_Allel…
  • Merci Jerome, pour signaler ces précieuses informations. Je me permets de les compléter avec un article ci-joint qui devrait vous être familier (nous en avions parlé en août 2013), "The Gregorian Congress of 1904", journal of the Association for recorded sound collections, pp. 72-72, Vol. XIV, nº 2, Manassas, 1982.

    Je vous joins également une image d'un disque original de Gramophone du Kyrie VIII dirigé par Rella.

    v14n2p72-74.pdf

    Gramophone Kyrie Rella.jpg

  • Two points must be understood about these recordings. The chants sung at the Congress were taken from the Liber Usualis of 1903 edited by Mocquereau. The differences between these chants and either the 1895 Liber Gradualis or the 1908 Graduale Romanum, both edited by Pothier, are profound, especially audible in the Kyriale pieces. Four of the conductors recorded these versions, but Pothier used his 1895 edition. 

    The other point is to hear *coupure neumatique* in Pothier's interpretations, as if he were a pupil of Cardine rather than the other way around, so to speak. It is astonishing to listen to his chants today.

  • Merci pour ce nouveau groupe!

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