When I was a student of D. Joao Enout (himself a disciple of D. Cardine in Rome), I remeber he mentioned some melodies conserved on the Aramaic-speaking villages of Syria which resembled gregorian melodies. It was many years ago, but I am quite sure he mentioned Jeremiah Lamentations of the Triduum Sacrum as the most convincing example of paleochristian melody which would have survived in the Aramaic-speaking tradition of these people.
Does anyone could confirm if there are really these surviving melodies in Aramaic speaking villages today?
Is it really the Lamentatio gregorian melody which was identified as similar to the Aramaic living tradition?
Thank you for your help!
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Merci . En fait, je cherche un exemple de mélodie paleo-chrétienne semblable à une grégoriene qui aurait survécue dans les traditions aramaïques actuelles. Aux années 1980 les élèves de D. Cardine parlaient de ça, mais malheureseument je n'ai pas pris note des détails.
Ricossa a dit :
Nice! Thanks for the source.
Neil Moran a dit :
cf. also
Husmann, Heinrich, ed. Ein syro-melkitisches Tropologion mit altbyzantinischer Notation Sinai Syr. 261. Göttinger Orientforschungen, I. Reihe: Syriaca 9. Wiesbaden: Otto Harrassowitz, 1975
Yes, this is a world the "catholic" west is unfamiliar with. The Indian / Jacobite Syrians seem today to be using a "modern" idiom, whereas the SyriACs, (once upon a time Assyrians) are Middle Eastern and of the Eastern Oriental Orthodoxy - and the oldest of all Christian communities, formed by St Mark and based originally at Damascus. You can hear in their chant the odd Aramaic word we are familiar with - Bethlehem... Alleluia... Abba...
Thank you for these important informations.
Ricossa a dit :
And here is another much closer to the Syriac - several clips - you even hear the Aramaic "alleluias".....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnXcKYNOsAw&list=PLB05457EA82C4F35C
I now have a contact phone for someone of the Iraqi Syriac congregation. Do you have email address I can use for him? Of course your questions may be answered now anyway.
Thank you for the links. I am watching all them.
ooops..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IJOgMVE1Q
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GYBTzJyAU
plus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6Q2wzCElU
This clip might be of use.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkTbC8mq1U
It looks and sounds to be of the Middle eastern tradition rather than the Indian...
Also Our Father in Aramaic...
Thank you very much, Gillian.
My aim is to have an example of a melody preserved in Aramaic in these traditional communities in a reasonable degree similar to a gregorian melody.
My master D. Enout told me about that and I am quite sure it has something to do with the Lamentationes.
I will search the syriacmusic site. Thanks a lot!!