• Great, this software ! it offers us a substantial gain of time. So it is no longer necessary to operate its retrograde memory. Afterwards, we find however analogies with the upper part of this work (after having listened the tonic version of "gothic voice"); thank you all for this wonderful "moment of grace".

  • It's "Fist on dame" tenor known from Bern 471 (421); a French source. -- image comparing the two.  The identification was made by my EMMSAP database.  I put the fragment in the database over a year ago and my collaborators have just started getting the French secular music encoded, so when I ran the most recent update it just popped out. 

  • I would have thought the regularity of note shapes recommends an experienced scribe. The ductus insofar as it concerns semibreves and minims reminds me very much of that in the rotulus now in Paris, BNF, Collection de Picardie, 67, which isn't as early as some have proposed. One other thing: the scribe is using the very broad-nibbed quill suitable for writing music or a very large gothic script - not your run of the mill quill but a specialised/professional tool to my understanding. It is not simply doodling with the workaday narrow quill.

  • Hi Elizabeth and Jason, my search through my nascent database found no matches or close matches for the part on a staff.  But I still haven't encoded PMFC5, so I'll check that by hand now.

    If that's an F clef, it's rather low for an added Ct, but possible.  I agree that it's mid-14th c. or later.  I don't think it's an experienced music scribe -- the minim/sb heads look too even, and the oblique ligatures don't have a graceful curve.  

  • I suspect Myke is already onto it - else he ought be.

  • I'd probably go for latter half of 14thC and an experienced scribe. The very long ligature above (not on staves) has so much symmetry that it looks like some kind of doodle, so it might be that the more realistic stuff below is also fictional. But if it is a real voice part, I don't think we could rule out that it might be a contratenor rather than a tenor, given the leaps and the rhythmic interest. As it could be a sketch for an entirely new contratenor, without knowing the piece it goes with it'll be even harder to identify. Should perhaps get Myke Cuthbert on the case with it.

  • Even a mid-fourteen century hand or later, don't you think, Anne? Looks like an experienced scribe, although the 2nd 2-note semibreve ligature is a little suspect. It could be as late as the mid 15th century, although less likely.

  • Very cute drawing! It must be later than the beginning of the fourteenth century, right? With those minims and minim rests? Looks like major prolation.

  • Génial!

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